By Any Other Name

When the socialist serpents speak, do not be mesmerized by the hypnotic movements of their lips.. The “health scare” debacle has been the recipient of unprecedented attention from the left of late. Due to the unprecedented theft of middle class tax dollars and the unprecedented intrusion of “Big Brother” Obama and his marionettes, this measure of attention seems to be the appropriate amount of overkill that the leftists normally apply to their beloved Bolshevism.

Their desperation has now displayed itself within the liberal lexicon. According to two of the worst of the liberal lunatics, Pelosi and Debbie Wasserman (L-Fl) the only thing holding the health care scam back is a nifty new moniker. (Mind you, they also believe that the only thing holding back “public education” is a “lack of funding”.. Do you detect a pattern of carcinogenic denial here?) So both of the Bolshevik battle-axes decided to try their choices upon some of those in Florida who will soon be exterminated and transformed into “collectivist compost” under the Obama “Soylent Green” health scare “plan”..

According to “Pelosi: Health care ‘public option’ needs new name”(Breitbart), Pelosi likes the “consumer option” and Wasserman likes the “competitive option”. The lame attempts at Demokratic diversion aside, it is hard to believe that these two actually hold positions of responsibility within the collectivist government. The name isn’t what has the American public enraged, it is the truth that has slowly been squeezed out of the socialists precarious plan.. Truth be told, the “consumer” will be decimated by the liberals and “competitive” isn’t even a part of the liberal nomenclature. When “equality of outcome” and “fairness” are your goals, “competition” isn’t allowed.. Yet another in the unending cavalcade of liberal lies..

To both, the “new terminology might get them past any lingering doubts..” If we adopt the dystrophic Demokrats way of “thinking”, Hitler should have just called the “Final Solution” something a bit more happy-go-lucky or whimsical, then no one would have ever cared about the Holocaust and the reality behind it.. These “lingering doubts” have something to do with the “fuzzy math” surrounding this gibberish and the overt socialism that envelopes it. Several liberals, displaying the trademark sanity that they are known for, also believe that these “lingering doubts” have something to do with the “racism” that invades every crack and crevice of those who disagree with Obama..

Pelosi had the nerve to say out loud, “There’s got to be a better name for this..” Might I suggest: “The Grand Delusion”? “When people think of the public option, public is being misrepresented, that this is being paid for with public dollars..” The Wrinkled Relic is both right and wrong. The public IS “being misrepresented”. It is “being misrepresented” by today’s liberal vermin who understand the Russians need to dismantle the middle class in order to install communism back in the early 1900’s. It is “being misrepresented” by the leftists who refuse to honestly deal with the American public who are justifiably outraged over this “public option.”

This IS being paid for with “public dollars”. The proof? The proof comes just a few sentences later straight from the horses mouth..literally. “Pelosi said that was a misconception and that any taxpayer money used to start up the public option would be repaid..” Here the socialist Seabiscuit actually admits that tax money will fund this “public option”. Again, yet another socialist panacea that will be paid for by the middle class of the United States and all that the Demokrats want to do is change the name.. Call it “public dollars”, call it “garnered otherwise undirected revenues”, I choose to call it what it is, a targeted, declared war by the left upon the middle class of the United States.

Where were Pelosi and Wasserman doing their communist crooning? Sunrise Florida. You remember Florida, right? The state where everyone seemed to vote incorrectly back in 200 and 2004? The place with all of those “pregnant chads” and “hanging chads” where no one seemed to be able to understand all of those confusing “votin’ machines”? Looks like everybody down there got good and smart in 2008 as no one from the left offered up any of their coquettish complaints in either Florida or Ohio in 2008..

The idea that this scam is going to cost well over a trillion dollars (“House health care bill over $1 trillion for decade” apnews myway) which is “significantly higher than the target Obama has set”, “a total that underestimates the bill’s true cost by $150 billion or more”, none of this matters.. Lets just “change” the name..

 

Never mind that the Obama nonsense started at $787 billion, then the CBO made it $871 billion, then “last month, Obama said in a nationally televised address before a joint session of Congress that he preferred a package with a price tag of around $900 billion..”, now we are at $1 trillion dollars in Marxist Monopoly money to be printed by Obama and Geithner.. Don’t forget the kicker, Pelosi said that this “will not add a dime to the (Obama) deficit..” She may be right in the typically liberal abstract way. A trillion dollars is not a dime..

Pelosi also said that “such an option would ultimately drive down government health care costs..” How much misery does the American taxpayer have to suffer through before she gets around to this “ultimately” business? “Government health care”, Medicaid and Medicare as just TWO governmental examples, have done more than their fair share of “driving up health care costs” already, do you really believe that adding EVEN MORE governmental health care will EVER “drive down costs”? When it comes to the liberals and “driving” down ANY cost, it will have the same effect on your pocketbook as “driving” around Chappaquiddick in the back seat of Dead Ted’s car..

Wasserman was excited about the latest pull the wool over your eyes shenanigans of the left. “I think she is going to go up and test-drive it when she gets back to Washington, I think it might stick..” Sorry Deb, I’m going to “change” one of the consonants. I think it might “stink”..

When it comes to the liberals and all of their vacuous promises of “cutting costs”, keep in mind that Pelosi will be going back to Washington in her personal 757, one that she demanded that the taxpayers pay for as soon as she landed the Speakers job. Each trip in her personal jet costs the taxpayers $60,000. Based upon her “need” to fly home every week alone, Pelosi is costing the American taxpayer $480,000.00 a month and she will easily spend $5,760,000.00 a year based upon these numbers alone. This does not count the collateral costs of her little adventures as she wings her way across the nation playing socialist scrabble with seniors in Florida..

Public options, “competitive options”, “consumer options”.. To those of us stuck footing the bill for the leftist’s Marxist meddling, the illegal aliens and the mendicants, it is “socialized medicine” by any other name..

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79 responses to “By Any Other Name

  1. Dave, Anaheim, CA

    You are always putting into words exactly how the vast majority of the people of this country actually feel.
    We need to let our numbers and presence be known.
    I think a good start would be for everyone to notify the downstream media know that “We are mad as hell and we are not going to take it anymore!” To quote Albert Finney in Network.
    If we can’t do anything until the elections in 2010, just remember, a vote for an independent is a vote for the Dumbocrat. The Independents can’t win and they ultimately end up bleeding votes from the Republican candidate, allowing the enemy of the United States party to win. The Republicans are not perfect either, but they are the lesser of two evils.
    Once the Dumbocrats are flushed out of our government, we can start a new party to wake up the Republicans to the fact that they are next to go.

  2. Dave, Anaheim, CA
    Sorry Dave, I don’t agree.
    We taught them a lesson in 2006 mid term. That’s why the dems are in power and are ruining everything.
    This time we must stick together and NOT vote fore the lesser of two evils. We’ve been doing that for much too long.
    2010 MUST BRING a NEW establishment or we’re sunk.

  3. I am just about to the point of making a few signs and having my own “tea party” on the streets of my town and am open to any short slogans that will drive home my feelings on this tyrannical regime. I am actively soliciting suggestions from you Larry and the family.
    Ive thought up a few like
    IMPEACH…..YES WE CAN!

    RESIST OR SUBMIT, ITS YOUR CHOICE AMERICA!
    and
    RESIST THIS TYRANNY!

    So help me out fellow patriots, I need to feel I am doing SOMETHING to stand up to this insult to my country.

    Thanks for any suggestions that may follow.

  4. Dead Teds car. LOL LOL LOL. I love it

  5. Whosebone,

    Never give in, never give up, never again!!

    Everybody chip in.

    Larry

  6. “the Russians need to dismantle the middle class in order to install communism back in the early 1900’s”
    Dismantle?
    Lenin starved to death 20 million of his own people to turn Russia Communistic.
    obama will financial wipe out the middle class[not murder,well maybe old people] ,and destroy capitalism,the constitution and all our freedoms.
    That`s the plan.That`s how it`s done.

    Rick

  7. Margaret in CT

    In an article on Newsmax.com today, “Regime Asks Cubans to Rethink Socialism” this, from the president of Michael Moore’s utopia:
    “Declining revenues and mounting debts have stretched the Cuban government to the point that it must trim some of its longstanding entitlement programs, [President Raul] Castro told the National Assembly during the August speech.
    ‘Nobody, no individual nor country, can indefinitely spend more than she or he earns. Two plus two always adds up to four, never five,” he said. “Within the conditions of our imperfect socialism, due to our own shortcomings, two plus two often adds up to three.’
    That losing formula has the Cuban government increasingly exhorting its citizens to work harder, expect less, and come up with solutions to their own problems.

    No comment is needed.

  8. I too must pass on the Republican Party. A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil! I will vote Independent unless someone starts a Conservative Party.

  9. Tony P,

    I suppose that we should be looking for the next Gipper. He (or she) is out there. The total failure of the Obama administration will surpass the Carter debacle which brought Reagan to the forefront.

    Most third party candidates aren’t of any merit at this point.

    Perot simply had cash and a silly voice.

    He helped Clinton. Decidedly so.

    We shall see.

    Thanks as always,

    Larry

  10. Rick,

    The Holodomor had a considerable amount to do with the rise of Ukranian nationalism. Stalin didn’t appear too fond of those who wanted seperatism. I believe that it had more to do with seperatism than the middle class, that’s just my take on the barbarity.

    I consider it a clear case of genocide.

    Excuse makers will call it “a consequence of collectivism and industrialization”..

    Either way, too many innocent citizens were starved to death.

    Thanks as always,

    Larry

  11. blue state blues

    This health care scam isn’t about Socialism. Although socialism plays a role.

    And it isn’t about a moral imperative to provide health care insurance for every US citizen (another form of Socialism).

    This is a complete and total Congressional Bailout of Congress.

    They need to get totalitarian control of the largest single element of our economy to save themselves from utter obliteration.

    They have bankrupted this country. Not that this is news to anyone on this site, but it is worse than we imagined.

    Let’s just take Social Security as an example. You have all heard that it is going broke, and it is. And you have all heard of the trillions in “unfunded obligations”. But you haven’t really done the math.

    The math is that Congress has stolen and misappropriated over 12 trillion dollars that has already been collected but untouched by its rightful owners. This is SS payments that have been collected from us and our employers but has yet to paid out because either we have not reached retirement age or we have just begun to collect.

    This money is gone. Slowly removed over the last 40 years. Imagine! Twelve trillion dollars that these idiots have stolen or spent above and beyond the 12 trillion in debt that we have.

    They cannot let us know the naked truth. And the only way to avoid the inevitable truth is get their hands on another 2 to 3 trillion in annual revenue and steal a large piece of it.

    That’s why Pelosi, Reid and, to a lesser extent, Obama, are apoplectic about passing this health care bill with a public option. They have to have the whole thing or they cannot cover up the terrible truth. The truth being that they have bankrupted the country, bankrupted our institutions, and bankrupted us.

  12. It is the typical liberal bait and switch. When we find something we don’t like they simply rebrand it, because they think we’re too stupid to notice the difference. The Dems are doing all they can to force government intrusion into every aspect of our lives, with a legion of brainwashed zombies behind them. As one letter to the New York Times put it, “Get out of our way grandma, we want our free healthcare and we want it now.”

    The RINOs aren’t on our side eiother. Witness the special race in the New York 23rd District, where the RNC is backing a candidate whom was endorsed by ACORN (Another Corrupt Organization Ruining the Nation) and backs the Obama agenda. Rather than learn from the 2008 Election, and stand on principle rather than politics, they have chosen the ‘if you can’t beat em, be em.’

    The time has come to vote out the incumbents, all of them.

  13. In ref to G Nichols, that independent Mr. Hoffman might just win…he’s getting quite a lot of big name support and is getting some money as well.

    Gosh, I’m hopin and prayin this health care debacle fails.

  14. Larry,

    You couldn’t be more correct. To boil it all down it amounts to paying no attention to what Obama and his country crashing socialist cronies say; rather, but what they try to do.
    A government cannot add 46 million people (only 12.1 of which can truly not afford insurance) to FREE Medic-care type system for ALL peoples without suffering an increase in expenditures going through the roof. The only way to control costs is to increase taxes and ration medical care.

    Whosebone,

    KEEP YOUR FREEDOM….STUDY THE CONSTITUTION

    ARE YOU A DAFT?….DUMB AMERICAN FOR TYRANNY

    EDUCATE YOURSELF….WASHINGTON LIES

  15. Think outside of the box folks….vote conservative.
    After attending the 9/12 March in D.C. the majority of Americans are awake and paying very close attention. They have had enough of politics as usual….the sellout the GOP comes up with as well as the sellout the DNC comes up with.
    If you really want to effect change…get behind Hoffman in NY. He needs our help. Putting the GOP pick in office is giving Pelosi one more vote we don’t need.
    IT WILL SEND A CLEAR AND RESOUNDING MESSAGE….we don’t have the luxury of time to dither about who and what we stand for.

  16. Great article once again, Larry…
    Socialized medicine is Socialized medicine… it stunk when it was called “Hillary-care” and it stinks now!

    Whosebone…
    The truth will set you free.. how about a little freedom?

    Save the Bill of Rights!

    APATHY = Another Pompus A-hole To “Help” You

    To HELL with Chairman MAO!

    Blue States.. If they get control of healthcare @ 11% of GDP, add that to the auto industry @ 15% or there abouts, and banking @ 20% or so pretty soon they’ll have control of more than half of the economy. That’s when they will really have us by the “short hairs”. We just can’t let that happen.

  17. According to Institute for Public Accuracy; Beginning Wensday the 28th, protests are expected in 19 cities at insurance offices.

    ‘The Mobilization For Healthcare For All’ said in a statement that it, ” has seen 900 people sign up… as participants risking arrest.” They will be staging sit-ins and demanding that “insurance companies immediately route all funding the(y) currently pay for lobbyists to providing care for patients who need it.”

    I have a better idea. First of all, tell 900 people Let the Mobilization For Healthcare For All doesn’t speak for ALL Americans!! Make them divide their 900 “signers” and send them out to protest their own insurance company. These types of people don’t have the foresight, they are blinded by progressive rhetoric. Should insurance companies agreement with them to do what they want and there would be a subsequent rise in the indivduals premiums to cover the expense of those “in need” and a lowering of coverage. ie; govermental higher taxes and rationing of health care.

  18. Whosebone,

    They say the signs that give the biggest impact are the ones that are simple.

    In creating bumper stickers I used that same logic. I have a bunch of images from 9-11 with the words in bold white that just says APATHY?

    Another one has two pictures on the left Obama and company and on the right medical doctors, surgeons and nurses. The text says Government Bureaucrats vs Physicians. Who do you want to decide on your healthcare?

    Image of the Capitol Bldg that says… When buying and selling is controlled by the Legislature the first thing that gets bought and sold are our legislators.

    Images of well know liberals (obama, clinton, pelosi, etc) Definition of Liberal Politics.

    Poli meaning many and tics means blooding sucking parasites.

    Images of well known liberals from Chicago Chicago is missing another Narcissistic, Corrupt, Political Hack

    Images of a hand gun that says You wanna play tough, say ‘ello to my little friend!

    Image of the Capitol Dome that says… What are the scariest words in the English language?
    I’m from the government and I’m here to help.

    Image of a soldier that says… Support Our Troops! Vote the Liberals out of Office. (I have about three of these with different images used.)

    Another that says… It’s very easy to criticize, condemn and complain; and most fools do. (Insert a photo of Obama or use different liberals.)

    Image of the Capitol Dome that says… A House Divided Against Itself Cannot Stand. (Lincoln quote).

    I made about three different stickers that says… Freedom is the most noblest Aspiration of the Human Spirit, so Let’s Not Lose Ours.

    Another one is a image of a young child/baby that says… Children Are a Blessing not a Curse.

    One that has an infant that says… Abortion isn’t a Right it’s a Choice, so Choice Wisely.

    Image of a fetus that says… If It has a Heartbeat, it’s a Child!

    You are welcome to use any or all of them.

  19. CHICAGO COLLECTIVIST CONMAN PHENOMENON……..hokie I know, but it still adds up to CCCP.

  20. beyond disgusted

    Where to start? Larry, another excellent one! Although I don’t comment every time, I do read every one of your articles. Keep ’em coming.

    The Republican establishment has a giant sign over their head that says “NOT GETTING IT”! Take NY 23rd district’s race – The RNC came out with a disgusting add against Bob Hoffman. I so hope he can win this race.

    As a Floridian (not one of the stupid ones) I’m voting for Marco Rubio in the primary for Senator next year. Should he lose, I will NOT vote for Charlie Crist. Crist is a progressive – I’m done with that. Lately he has been running a barrage of radio adds claiming he’s a conservative. I am so over progressive republicans pretending to be conservative, just to con conservatives into voting for them. Enough already!

  21. T,

    Your “APATHY” was the best yet!

    Larry

  22. Another gold star, Larry! It just frosts me that the elected critters don’t give a d— about what we want. They think they know what is best.

    My son has a fax machine in his office where I do his bookkeeping. I have create faxes for many of the critters, and I just type one query or observation or condemnation in a form that will fit any critter in congress, then I just tape that message to the fax and send it. I have my three state representatives on speed dial as they get to hear from me a couple times a week. I have asked questions often, yet never a reply. But they sure put me into the “donate, please” machine. I get a couple dozen solicitations each week. If I’m T’d off, I write on their own survey or begging letter and send it back telling them what they have to do in order for me to contribute.

    I am more and more convinced the GOP is going the way of the DoDo bird and would like to see a Conservative party with a name that sets us apart, like The Founders Party or something similar. And I too am hoping we will find a Reagan for the 2012 Elections. Love reading all your posts, family.

    Never give in, Never give up, and Never Again!

  23. Quixtop, Huntington Beach, CA

    To Whosebone,

    Apathy = Slavery
    Vigilance = Liberty

    Help Wanted
    No incumbents need apply.

  24. Speaking of Reagan; This morning’s Redstate had the speech he gave 45 years ago, “A Time To Choose.” An excerpt:
    “Whether we believe in our capacity of self-government or whether we abandon the American revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far distant capitol can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them for ourselves. You and I are told increasingly that we must choose between a left and a right. Well I’d like to suggest that there is no thing as a left or a right. There’s only up or down – up (being) man’s age-old-dream, the ultimate in individual freedom consistitent with law and order, or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism.”

    With her faults and the ever expanding federal government being and causing the greater percentage of those faults, I wonder how many Americans truly realize that America is the last vestige of true freedom on earth.

  25. Family,

    Time for a break..

    I’ll be gone until 11/11.

    PLEASE don’t let the site die while I’m gone.

    Keep talking to each other, keep fighting.

    Never give up, never give in and never again.

    Thanks as always,

    Larry

  26. Larry,

    I pray your absence comes not from physical problems, stay solid, man. If your retreat should be for pleasure, enjoy. You have earned it, I know you will keep the fires burning.

    Well, Family!? You heard the man! Have all of your computers crashed or did you all lose your fingers?

    One thing that facsinates me about the Obama Admisistration and Congress is their total dis-regard for our Constitution. There is no language in the Constitution allowing the federal government to buy and own private companies, let alone sell life insurance.

    Yet no one, NO ONE, not a single member of the House or the Senate be they Democrat and especially Republican representatives have challenged this. WHY NOT!?!? Of course it would be to much to be asking the MSM to query about the Democrat’s running roughshod over our Constitutional Laws. But I haven’t heard of FoxNews, commentators such as Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, or major Conservative watchdog organizations even mentioning the shredding of our Constitution before our very eyes. Their topics are on the “hot” issues and that, I feel is exactly what Obama wants.

    When Obama promised “Change”, to many people envisioned good times in la-la land where things are beautiful all the time. Obama’s vision of “change”, he believes he has the power to fundamentally transform our nation by creating a new “foundation.”

    We are a nation of laws, with our government limited by our Constitutional Laws. Obama has no legal authority to transform our government.

    Yet not a word of protest is heard from our so-called “conservative” or even liberal Republican “leaders.”

  27. Arthur Nankervis

    A month old, but still a good clip from ?? and John Boehner and the message is still current:

    Bloodhounds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl_q0afUl0E

    And, here’s one for Larry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQMgxt_NnPI&NR=1

    Arthur

  28. “Peanuts” Pelosi has just released her 1,990 page “endgame” healthcare. How appropriate the word “endgame” while she and the elite look down upon us commoners.

    Try reading through, or even staying awake while doing so, and having any semblance of understanding in what this travesty of a bill is all about at http://www.grassfire.org/2122/offer.asp?Ref_ID=2876&CID=122&RID=21439801

    Really, Family, if the site doesn’t come up where you can just click on it, please feed into your browser. This attrocity is unbelievable.

  29. Joe,

    Agreed, we need to keep this site active. And, I too haven’t seen objections from the Repubs regarding the shredding of our Constitution by this abhorrent admin. Is every member of Congress only interested in self-preservation ? Maybe it is time for term limits and a total house cleaning of all incumbents. The founding fathers of this great country must be turning in their graves when they see what is happening to their hard work and sacrifice.

    If the liar in chief really wants to “share the wealth” , let’s start at the top, and eliminate all of the perks for the President , Congress, and elected officials- including junkets, earmarks, war chests, etc. In other words “put your money where your mouth is, or shut the hell up “.

    If these bums can’t live up to the Constitution , they obviously should not be in office. Let the founding fathers rest in peace.

  30. It may just be a little premature for us to be talking about and deciding who we’re gonna vote for and not vote for in 2010, Republican or Independent.

    I’m not real happy with the Republican Party either and think we do have some RINOs to flush out, but let’s see who the candidates are first.

    If a real conservative with some star power appears, that’s who will get my vote, regardless of party label — or not.

  31. Alabama Rednek

    Joe:

    You talk aboout Obama trashing the Constitution. Believe it or not he has the power to do just that. In my research I found this web site: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/1933.htm and it really opened my eyes to a lot of what has happened during my lifetime. I was born before Roosevelt (FDR) came to power but he set the stage for all that is going on now. I urge all family members to read this site and I hope Larry can pick up on it. It also has very easy links to your members of congress and ease in contacting them.

    Larry, for whatever reason you are taking the time off, it is well deserved. We will keep things going on site and look forward to your return on Veterans Day.

    Never give up, never give in and never again.

  32. Dave, Anaheim, CA

    Alabama Redneck,

    I’m sorry to say that there is a lot of Bush-bashing bullshit on the site you referred us to.

    Our problems do go back to FDR, so I guess you should just go with the top part of the page.

  33. Alabama Rednek

    Good morning, Dave.

    Please know that the site I referred to was not to bash Bush but rather to try and shed some light on why we are in the mess we are. I am sorry if it offended you or any other family members in any way as that was not my intention. As far as the president goes, he has far to much power due to this act and we would appear to be helpless to stop it. It is also worth mentioning that “O” recently declared a national emergency with the H1N1 scare and could possibly and legally declare martial law if he so chooses. All this according to the War Poowers and Trading with the Enemy Act of 1933. Further reading on some of the links tends to explain why the Commerce Act is so important to congress is getting their leftist legislation through without a problem with the constitution.

    If I m wrong in my opinions, I will be most happy to apologize to all on this web site and to Larry.

    Thank you, Alabama Rednek

    Never give up, never again and never again.

  34. Alabama Redneck,

    I’m not trusting the double-speak of Washington for one second but you do make an interesting comment of, “O’ recently declared a national emergency… ” If we been under a perpetual state of national emergency as the site you posted purports, what purpose would it serve in declaring a another state of emergency?

    The Founding Fathers knew that the dispensing of power through-out the federal government should be straight-laced and limited. This is the way the Constitution is writtten. The power that government now holds today they have given themselves as the American peoples become evermore ignorant of the laws enscribed within that original book of laws.

    Senator Orrin Hatch (UT.-R) has raised some questions about the constitutionality of not only the so-called health care bill but the past actions of Obama’s administration as well. I read somewhere that he’d introduced legislation for the purpose of looking into Constitutional legalities but with Baucus in the lead, it was voted down.

    If, as the site says, all past presidents had this power of national emergency and refuse to relinquish it during their tenure, why haven’t we seen more “bail-outs”, purchasing of private companies and now the possible forcing of government-run health care and “it’s” insurance before? Obama, he could care less for he is not a president for America. To him, this is not a national emergency, it’s an agenda of national socialism.

  35. JR4 NOT OF DALLAS

    OUR BOY LARRY CAN REALY SPELL OUT THE DIMWITS RUNNING THIS COUNTRY.
    WRINKLED RELIC IS A KEEPER
    BEING FROM THE NORTHEAST I LOVE THE DEAD TED’S CAR
    PIG LOSI IS A SOCIALIST SEABISCUIT

    LOCAL CHURCH TODAY HAD A LETTER
    PUSHING AGINST ABORTION AND FOR CONCIENCE
    REQUIRMENT IN HEALTH CARE BILL
    OR THEY WILL NOT GO FOR IT
    UNDERSTANDABLE FOR THE CLERICS
    AS TEY LIKE ALL HUMANS AND QUOTE THE
    NEED TO COVER ILLEGALS ETC

    GOTTA KILL THIS NEW VERSION OF HILLARY CARE
    FOLLOW THE TEA PARTIES
    NEVER GIVE UP
    11/11 GREAT DATE VETERANS DAY
    FREEDOM THANK A VET

  36. Alabama Rednek

    Joe

    You make some very valid points. However, when you read section 1631, quoted here: ” Declaration of national emergency by Executive order; authority; publication in Federal Register; transmittal to Congress

    When the President declares a national emergency, no powers or authorities made available by statute for use in the event of an emergency shall be exercised unless and until the President specifies the provisions of law under which he proposes that he, or other officers will act. Such specification may be made either in the declaration of a national emergency, or by one or more contemporaneous or subsequent Executive orders published in the Federal Register and transmitted to the Congress. ” and then Sec 1702(a) & (b) quoted here: “(a) Any authority granted to the President by section 1702 of this title may be exercised to deal with any unusual and extraordinary threat, which has its source in whole or substantial part outside the United States, to the national security, foreign policy, or economy of the United States, if the President declares a national emergency with respect to such threat.
    (b) The authorities granted to the President by section 1702 of this title may only be exercised to deal with an unusual and extraordinary threat with respect to which a national emergency has been declared for purposes of this chapter and may not be exercised for any other purpose. Any exercise of such authorities to deal with any new threat shall be based on a new declaration of national emergency which must be with respect to such threat. ” it would seem that the only way “O” can get the health bill he desires is to declare a national emergercy as he just did for H1N1 swine flu. A health care emergency and he can effectively make it the law of the land. After all our messiah is definately NOT interested in our welfare but rather in total control of our lives. Once a nationsal emergency is declasred, there is no resason to evoke it. The way I read the whole thing is that before the presient can invoke these powers he must declare an emergency with respect to a specific subject. Is it any wonder that the Nancy Harry dog and pony show seem so confident. They don’t even have to vote on it because they gave that power to the president.

    May God have mercy upon us all. I feel that violent revolution may be coming when the vast majority find out.

    Never give up, never give in and never again.

  37. Dave, Anaheim, CA

    We’re being screwed around and lied to by Obama.

    Read this – the hits just keep on coming…

    Whether the Obama Birthers are right or not, all the President has to do is answer one Question
    While I’ve little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth issue, Paul Hollrah over at UTFSM did so yesterday and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question:
    What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York , Jakarta, and Karachi?
    So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981,without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?
    And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta
    and Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration?
    The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama’s citizenship a rather short and simple one.
    Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
    A :Yes, by his own admission.
    Q: What passport did he travel under?
    A: There are only three possibilities…
    1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport,
    2) He traveled with a British passport, or
    3) He traveled with an Indonesian passport.
    Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
    A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list in 1981.
    Conclusion:
    When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.
    If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims.
    And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.
    Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a “natural born” American citizen between 1981 and 2008.
    Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.


    God must love stupid people; He made so many.

  38. Dave,
    That was brilliant.

  39. Dave,

    If he is not a “natural born” citizen, who would become the President, since the VP is not elected – the “ticket” is elected. And if the “ticket” is corrupt, then wouldn’t the VP also be voided? Then, wouldn’t the runner-up ticket become the President and VP ( McCain/Palin ) instead of the Speaker of the House , since the election “process” is not in question ? I don’t know the answer – merely asking the question.

  40. Dave, Anaheim, CA

    If and when this massive fraud carried out by the Democrats is exposed, Nancy Pelosi and a number of other high ranking Dems are going to jail. Pelosi signed two different versions of Obama’s certification to run for President. One was the same as the Republicans signed with regard to John McCain, and the other (the one distributed to the 50 State Secretary of States) had the paragraph referring to the requirement of the Constitution that he be a natural born citizen removed. Since she, the Notary and the other people signing the document knew he is not eligible, they are in violation of a Felony.
    There is one school of thought that since the ticket elected was ineligible, the ticket with the second most votes (McCain/Palin) would assume the Presidency, but it is unclear as to whether this would actually happen. As Alan Keyes stated, “This will create a national emergency.” Everything this usurper (Obama) has signed will be null and void. One interesting thing is that when Obama was running for Senator,back in 2004, he was confronted by Alan Keyes about being born in Kenya. Obama’s response was “so what, I’m running for Senator, Not President.”

  41. Dave, Anaheim, CA

    The last sentence was verified by the Associated Press.

  42. Alabama Rednek

    Dave. You are right on with O’s remark about not running for president. Also the fact that Madam speaker submitted two different certifications to the 50 states. As such she would be co=conspirator to the fraud and subject to be tried for high treason. That would disqualify her for any federal office.

    JJ: According to the Preidential Succession Act of 1947, whenever the President is removed from office, or death or incapacitated and not able to conduct the duties of his office, the Vice President will immediately become President and will serve out the remaining time of the term until the next election. This of course applies when the President is removed from office either by resignation, death or impeachment or conviction of a felony. Totally removed from the office.

    In the event there is no Vice President then the Speaker of the House, if eligible, and then the President pro tem of the Senate if eligible. After that is goes to the various cabinste secretaries starting with the Secretary of State. There is no provision regarding the ‘ticket’ as a whole that I could find. Hope this answers your question.

    Never give up, never give in and never again.

  43. Alabama Redneck,

    I have read through the site given by you and still I must, national emergency or no, dis-agree. I agree with you in that Obama may use a national emergency on the H1N1 flu virus to push federal health care through Congress. The thought entered my mind after hearing of him issueing such a decree. I would not be surprised with these tactics of Obama and his Democrat controlled Congress.
    But what I cannot find anywhere in the Constitution is literature giving the government power over the citizen forcing him/her to buy, in this case, insurance.
    No matter the type of national emergency, the government does indeed have the power to ration, curfew, call out the militia, etc. but it doesn’t have the power to make a person buy something against his will or be fined instead. What’s next? Will we’ll have to buy brocoli at government mandate? This is what I’m contesting as being un-Constitutional.
    Both the Administrastion and Congress are exceeding their restricted powers in trying to force this health care bill upon all American people.

    Obama IS the national emergency!

  44. Alabama Redneck,

    Yes, according to Succession Act, you are correct. However that refers to a valid election of a valid candidate. My question refers to a non-valid candidate.

  45. Alabama Rednek

    Joe:

    I think you are right about requiring citizens to purchase insurance or pay a penalty. And I may be wrong about the war powers act giving all this authority to the president. However, after reading it again I still have the opinion that he does not need congress to vote on passage of the health bill by virture of section 1631:

    “Sec. 1631. Declaration of national emergency by Executive order; authority; publication in Federal Register; transmittal to Congress

    When the President declares a national emergency, no powers or authorities made available by statute for use in the event of an emergency shall be exercised unless and until the President specifies the provisions of law under which he proposes that he, or other officers will act. Such specification may be made either in the declaration of a national emergency, or by one or more contemporaneous or subsequent Executive orders published in the Federal Register and transmitted to the Congress. ”

    Not being a scholar or lawyer, I can only sumise as to the true meaning of that paragraph. Executive orderws carry the force of law.

  46. Alabama Rednek

    JJ…

    I have no idea how that would work out other than having the court, SCOTUS, toss the whole election out and redo.
    We will have one hellofamess wih this and I don’t trust the courts to straighten it all out. Catch 22?????

    You ask some very pointed questions here that gives us all food for thought.

  47. Alabama Redneck,

    I found this different approach to and possible way out of the healthcare constitutionality issue by Rob Natelson, Proffessor of Law at the University of Montana and a leading constitutional scholar. Interesting.
    http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/08/18/is-obamacare-constitutional/

  48. Alabama Rednek

    Joe:

    I just read the article and found it very interesting and encouraging. Thank you for sharing it with the family.

    I only hope we do not have to go thru the courts to stop this illegal monstrosity as I have become quite suspicious of them including SCOTUS. We just don’t know which way they will lean but I will remain positive about it

    Never give up, never give in and never again.

    May God bless America

  49. I only wished that I’d found that site yesterday and had it before me when my Republican Representative called in a “telephone-townhall-meeting” last nite.

    Rep. Lee Terry said he was against the current health care reform as being government-run and asked participants to voice their yes or no opinions in wanting it before asking him any questions.

    I told him I was adamately against any form of government health care including anything the Republicans came up with. Telling him that the resources that I’d found said the government claimed there were 47 million un-insured, discounting those that could be insured but deny it, have the money to buy insurance but don’t, it leaves 12.1 million who are actually in need of insurance assisstance. I asked him if this was worth jeaprodizing the health and welfare of 300 million Americans. He answered “no” and started in about the Republican plan. I interuptted him and told him that, again, I didn’t want any big government health plan taking care of me and that of all the people I’ve talked with that seems to be the general consensus. When are you going to hear that?
    I was then cut off by the operator and put back into “listen only” mode. That didn’t stop my e-mail to him in which I chewed him out for cutting me off before he answered my question! A Representative? He’s marked for the next election.

  50. Alabama Rednek

    J0e:

    Kudos to you and a pox on Lee Terry.

    Seems like these lemmings still don’t understand what We the People want.

  51. I don’t know about “kudos” but it just goes against my grain being un-willingly forced to accept a single-payer (single-option) government-run health care program. Simply, a one-size-fits-all solution will not work.

    I had every intention of discussing the constitutionality of this abhoration of a bill with my Representative just from the postings here at NLTZ but had to include the queries on that issue in the e-mail I sent to him. It will be interesting to see if I receive a response but I’m not holding my breath.

    I read in RedState this morning that Pelosi’s 1990 page healthcare bill will create 110 new Obamacare boards, bureaucracies, commissions and programs. Now there’s a lot of government paperwork for idiots!!

  52. Also, on CNSNews.com, Robert Gibb erish said that he does not know if White House lawyers have reveiwed whether it is constitutiontal or not for the federal government to order individuals to buy health insurance and said that the White House is not seriously considering the concerns of such people as Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT.) who believe the mandate is unconstitutional.
    So there, people, you aren’t being considered seriously. They’ll do what they damn well pleased!

    Alabama Redneck, Family, watch the video of Sen. Hatch at http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrclID=56491

    Hatch offers some insightful rebuttles to the congressional and presidentail powers discussion brought up earlier.

    This health care bill is just plain bad, folks. We cannot let this happen to America.

  53. START SENDING E-MAIL FAMILY!

    http://www.rallycongress.com/patients-first/ will enable you to send, along with it’s pre-written text, the thoughts that you want to let your representative know about! Sure as hell ain’t going to be any of those hands-out, bottom feeders making any noise.

  54. I will run for President of the United States on this one platform:
    Until Barack Obama puts his birth certificate ON MY DESK, everything and anything he signed in the office of President of the United States is hereby declared NULL and VOID.

  55. Alabama Rednek

    Stitch76

    You got my vote and those of my entire family either dead or alive.

  56. I just happened to think of the engravings I may choose for my for my headstone when the time comes;

    “Your Government At Work. Health Reform Made This Marker Possible” or

    “Don’t Worry, I’ll Be Fine. Pursuaint To Healthcare Regulations I’m Still Waiting In Line”

  57. That stupid bill of Madame Pelosi’s somehow grew to 2032 pages today. I wonder how that happened?????

  58. I’m still stuck on the question ” how do idiots like Pelosi, Reid,and Frank get their positions of power “. Aren’t there any members of congress with the intestinal fortitude to do what is right for this country? Can’t any of them see what is happening? Have any of them read the Constitution at least once ? Do any of them know or care what they swore to do as members of Congress? Wonder if they will understand the words “term limits” !!

  59. T,

    The Dem’s are probably adding more legislation for the loopholes allowing illegal aliens to use the new healthcare. Despite what Obama said it seems as though the Hispanic Caucus confronted the prez. at the White House and complained that their people that didn’t belong in this country and don’t pay a dime into it should get all the benefits courtesy of us taxpayers. Obama’s now faced with a problem after having said that there would be no such legislation in the healthcare bill… he can prove himself a liar or continue to prove himself a liar.

    JJ,

    I think you could get an answer to your first question of how they stay in power by asking the remainder of the questions of American citizens!

  60. As to the true cost of Obama’s Healthscare plan, needless to say, no one can know the actual cost. I have read that Medicare eventually cost 9 times what was lo-balled to the public to “sell” it back then. There’s no reason to believe anything different with this official Nightmare. I firmly doubt Chairman Obama is going to succeed with this mess in the near future. On another subject, I have to LOL about how the Lefties practically trip over each other to deny any connection whatsoever with the Republican governor wins and public “feelings” about His Worship. Well, I guess we’ll know for sure come the 2010 elections won’t we? Heh-heh.

  61. Dave, Anaheim, CA

    The Mahogany Messiah is going to keep his promise to exclude “illegal aliens” from receiving benefits from his government takeover bill by granting citizenship to all of them.

  62. It’s not just the cost of the federal health care reform, it’s our very liberties that are at stake.

    I received this e-mail this afternoon and have contacted my state federal reps. as I’ve done so many times before. Family, I cannot tell you how important it is to send these truths of a retired Constitutional lawyer, Micheal Connelly of Carrollton, Texas to each and every one of you Representatives and Senators.

    THE TRUTH ABOUT THE HEALTH CARE BILLS

    “Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of the proposed House Bill, H.R. 3200: The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied with particular emphasis from my area of my expertise, constitutional law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed were un-constitutional. What I found was far worse than what I expected.

    To begin with, much about what has been said about the law and it’s implications, is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media is saying.

    The law does provide for rationing of healthcare, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical proffession.

    The Bill will eventually force private insurance companies out of business and put everyone into a government run system.

    All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaurcrates and most of them will not be health professionals. Hospital admissions, payments to physcians, and allocation to necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled.

    However, as scarey as all that, it just barely scratches the surface.

    In fact, I have concluded THAT THIS LEGISLATION HAS REALLY NO INTENTION OF PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE CHOICES. (caps are mine)

    Instead, it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occured, or even been contemplated. If this law, or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States of America will have been destroyed.. DESTROYED!! (Again my emphasis)

    The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas to begin with. The irony is that the Congress doesn’t have any authority to legislate to begin with. I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.

    The legislation also provides for access to the appointees of the Obama administration of all your personal health care information, your personal financial information and the information of your employer, physician and hospital.

    All of this is a direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures.

    You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide.

    If you decide not to have healthcare insurance or if you have private insurance that is deemed “unacceptable” to the “Health Choices Administrator” appointed by Obama, there will be a tax imposed upon you.

    It is called a “tax” instead of a fine because the intent to avoid the application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn’t work since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of a tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without “due process of law.”

    So, there are three pesky Amendments that liberals hate so much, out of the ten Bill of Rights that are effectively nullified by this law.

    It doesn’t stop there though.

    The 9 Amendment that provides: “The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.” The 10 Amendment states: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor exhibited to it by the States, are reserved by the States respectively, or to the people.”

    Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the States are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control.”

    Mr. Connelly went on to say that he could write many more pages on the un-constitutionality of not only the health care bill, but politics in general today.

    The men who drafted and signed the Constitution of the United States were and still are far wiser than those we have had in our nation’s Capitol for some time….

  63. Since there are many Constitutional scholars and lawyers in this country, why haven’t we been hearing from many of them regarding these unconstitutional acts of this admin. and this Congress ? As experts in their field, they should be vociferous in explaining the law of the land and how it is being shattered !!

    How much credebility will these experts have if they sit back and say/do nothing, knowing full well that the document that they have studied and analyzed is being destroyed . Will their personal careers be in jeopardy, or will they fall in lock- step with the vermin that have taken over DC ?

    Perhaps the “dumbing-down” in this country is worse than any of us could have imagined, especially in this age of instant communication ! Are people in this country so gullible that they really expect to get ” something for nothing “.
    If approx. 45% of us do not pay any federal taxes, what will happen when that number reaches 51%, and the “non-payers” demand more “freebies” ? Kinda scary isn’t it ?

  64. JR NOT OF DALLAS

    JJ
    scary as hell

    Wha if the citizens that pay all these taxes decided to stop enmass and shut off the spigget
    that provides the money that the government
    gives away

    This can be done. by overstatng the number of exemptions claimed on a new w4 form or shut down paying quarterlies by the self employed

    Sure there are penalties etc for underpaying
    but a tax holiday may wake up some people to realize where the money comes from,

    Imagine a guy like RUSH LIMBAUGH making
    40 million a year in the fiFty % TAX BRACKET
    STOPPING 20 MILLION
    LM,AO

    NEVER GIVE IN ,UP OR WHATEVER

    MAD AS HELL

  65. Are we obligated to continue to pay federal taxes to a rogue gov’t. , one that is destroying this country?

  66. JJ,

    Your question about the utter lack of debate over the constitutionality of the health care reform is the same question I asked earlier in this Article and Alabama Redneck responded to. It’s amazing isn’t it?

    I had a doctor’s appointment the other day and asked him what he thought of the health care. He was concerned over the insurance and thought that there had to be a “better way” than what is being proposed. To expect a business to cover all people with “pre-existing conditions and still make a profit is pure foolishness,” according to the doctor. This is only common sense, insurance companies don’t have a guaranteed income as does the government, i.e. taxes, so they will eventually go broke leaving only the government as the single-option, single-payer insurance, a monopoly of our health care. AND one that FORCES us to buy their insurance, FINE us if we don’t and enforce HIGHER TAXES on us to pay for their insurance plan.
    To enforce this tyrannical lunacy on 300 million citizens all for the good of 12 million citizens (47 million according to the government) who actually need health care insurance help is pure socialistic absurdity.
    This does not sound like America to me.

    JR NOT OF DALLAS,

    You’re right. What would the federal government going to do with all those that don’t pay their income tax? Fine us? And if we don’t pay our fines, then what, jail us? Where are they going to incarcerate us? Local jails to federal prisons are already over capacity now or perhaps the government will just confiscate every thing we own, put us on welfare living off the government of worthlessness.
    This is the major problem with this country today, there are far to many citizens that think the government earns it’s own money and thusly, can dispense it as it sees fit.

  67. Dave, Anaheim, CA

    Joe,
    Where are they going to incarcerate us? Local jails to federal prisons are already over capacity now.

    This is what the internment camps and the “Domestic Army” that our Fuehrer (Obama) has set up are for.

    If anyone doesn’t realize by now that Obama is “full steam ahead” in his goal of becoming dictator, with the help of Nazi Pelosi, then it is time to wake up to what is really happening here.

  68. Dave, Anaheim, CA,

    While that thought of “camps” did cross my mind, it was replaced with the thought of our magnificent over-stuffed white shirt leaders who can barely manage to tie their shoe strings without instructions or get their (men only) di%k out of their pants. (With the exclusion of John Edwards but I’m not giving ol’ Slick Willie the credit here) What I’m saying is, if in massive amounts of non-paying, and therefore detainable taxpayers, there would be no way this miserable excuse for an effecient government could handle it. (think FEMA and Katrina) Hell, these limp-wrists leaders in Washington can’t even get the border line fence built that has been approved, monies appropriated for to keep non-tax paying illegal aliens out of this country! Oh, but that’s OK with this silly, socialist government. Punish the citizens and destroy the nation.

    I’d be totally interested in seeing what they have in mind in putting up around a determent camp to keep us “law-breakers” confined. It couldn’t be electrical, Cap and Trade to consider, you know. Maybe it’s just the promise of slave labor if you were sent there. OH CRAP! Did I say “slave”? Oh well, what does His Majesty care, he’s Islamic.

  69. Interesting (and expected), at least 11 of the 13 victims at Fort Hood are “non-Black”.
    http://news.aol.com/article/profiles-of-fort-hood-shooting-victims/756775

    Still trying to track down the other 2.

    STITCH!

    PS – rather than withholding our taxes, which is almost impossible, we can all without our house payments.
    If they thought they had a mortgage meltdown before, they aint seen nothing yet.
    Imagine what will happen to the banks if 50-75 million Americans say we’re not going to make any more house payments until duh gubment stops spending our money (or, borrowing from the Chinese and spending that too).

  70. actually, let me clarify my last statement:
    NONE of those killed at Fort Hood….were black.

    hmmm
    No wonder Oblamie says, “don’t jump to conclusions”.

    STITCH!

  71. Why not stop making our credit card payments.
    The cc companies are the real crooks.
    Your 1 day late and they raise your interest from
    9% t0 30% and fine you 39.00 late fee.
    The cc companies are in bed with Mr. obama.
    Might as well start not paying now.
    Mr. obama is going to destroy the middle class
    and you won`t have any money anyway.

  72. Dave, Anaheim, CA

    Yesterday Pelosi and her puppets spat in the face of everyone in this country by passing their “Destroy America” bill.
    It’s obvious these aristocrats, who like their predecessors in France who brought about the French Revolution, are begging to find out what a guillotine is.
    Peaceful measures are seen as weakness and are just ignored by these elitists.
    Until stronger measures are taken, we will continue to be ignored.

  73. Alabama Rednek

    Dave,

    I totally agree with you. It is time to take of the kid gloves and get nasty with these people. We don’t have to actually harm them but we can put the fear of God in them if we do it right. If we can do that before righteous Reid gets his gang together, we can still kill this montroous, evil bill.

    KILL THE BILL!!

  74. Damn!!! They got it thru the house!!

  75. T,

    Of course it went thru the House – look at all the loons that are there. Actually it was expected to go thru. They just want to put on a big show to make us believe they are doing something, and of course get their mugs on TV ! What a sham.
    Thank God the founding fathers created a thing called the Senate. The founding fathers were geniuses and patriots compared to the idiots in DC today.

    What will this idiots do when they are challenged on the constitutionality of this stealthcare scam ??

  76. Dave, Anaheim, CA

    As of January 20th when our ineligible, unqualified, anti-American dictator took over, the Constitution has been ignored.
    The traitors in Washington, D.C., know exactly what they are doing, and they couldn’t care less what the peasants think.
    It’s time to treat traitors the way they were treated in the 1700s. We are going to need a lot of tar and feathers, There are about 220 in the Congress that can be hung now. We’ll see how many in the Senate want to join them when this bill reaches them for a vote.
    As for the illegal alien in the White House, he will be deported.

  77. The biggest factor in getting that monstrousity of a bill passed was a tightening of restrictitons on abortion. Liberals who were afraid of losing their cushy jobs in the up-coming elections took the easy way out of a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don’t vote and instead of showing some balls as to what’s best for this country, knuckled under to “We won”, Wicked Witch of the West Pelosi.

    Sen. Majority Leader Harry Reid (L-Nev.) has pledged to “Baton” Obama that he will get the Senate bill done by the end of the year and remains committed to doing that according to a Senate leadership aide. Reid hasn’t even gotten a floor debate schedule as of yet and hinted last week that senators may not be able to finish health care this year.

    One thing is for sure, the plans that have circulated in the Senate have been far less costly and governmental intrusive in private lives.

    I personally would prefer no government plans or help. Just let me live my life and pay my own way, I’ve done it for 64 years (minus childhood) with no troubles, I will continue to do it. That is unless the government helps me.

    The government cannot give anything to anyone that they have not first taken away from somebody else.

  78. Davee,

    Do you really think that the fraud in the White House will be deported ? Just imagine the mess that we will have undoing everything that he has signed. Do you think that the Congress and the SCOTUS are willing to go through with that? And, who would become President ?

  79. Dave, Anaheim, CA

    When he is deported, the fact that he was ineligible to hold the office will come into play, and everything he signed and all of his appointments will go out the window.
    Since Biden, Pelosi and most of the top Democrats will be in jail, the ticket with the 2nd most votes (McCain/Palin) will take over as President and VP.)

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